Wednesday, June 6, 2007

After-meetup links

Hi all,

So, meetup was held, here are some links:

And here are the five key thoughts I wanted to share, with a very little explanation

  • Innovation: The fact that you can build your own userbase, and run your own independent service with just using standards, and that you can extend them is the key component in success of web 2.0 and GSM-networks (in this case: http, html / xhtml, ecmascript, and oma/3gpp standards)
  • Service-based distinction: Although you could build an own mobile network which outsiders can't use, of course, it will be possible, but I hope that in most cases you still think it ridicolous. You distinct your own users from outsiders by advanced [innovative?] services and prices, not by not allowing them to talk to gmail users just because "it's a rival". [This was a reaction for freemail's closedness]
  • Mash-up: It's better to show your users your own extension protocols (like Gmail does for Gmail notifications and others), so others can remix it; and it's better to use some remixable system like SamePlace, to open a whole new ecosystem of plugins (Note to self: we must find a way to standardise html/http based collaborative application building like which is in sameplace)
  • Word-of-mouth Of course you can't tell everybody to use Jabber (but you possibly have just enough media to place it before your users), and can't officially do an MSN-gateway for a large hosting; but you can let this information spread.
  • At home: Install a jabberserver (like ejabberd or openfire),and try it for yourself

(Presentation and key messages slightly differs!)

As you can see, it's a mashup-point-of-view: it's been a popular theme in Hungary this year, and I think we have seen just enough walled gardens here at home to try if we do it better this way.

Oh, presentation is CC licensed (as all Budapest New Technology Meetup presentations)

JsJabber: Educational client in javascript

Here is my educational client, built with PWC and jsjac. It does not have presence changing feature, it just shows how a jabber client could be done. Feel free to use it.

(Was done in a few hours, probably would be good for a quick workshop:)

JsJabber client homepage

(You can test it in Firefox with a Jo-hely (good places) account, registration is free (Hey, my team built it ;)

For those for whom it does not work, a screenshot:

Friday, June 1, 2007

Unified IM network in Hungary - what would YOU say?

I'll have the oppurtinity to talk about 'Unified IM network in Hungary?' in a five-minute session on The Budapest New Technology June Meetup, which will be visited by nearly everyone who counts in the social media industry.

The excerpt of the presentation is:

Everyone knows GTalk; some may know, that is based on a standard protocol, jabber (XMPP). T-Online uses this for messenger in Freemail. The presentation would be a five minute summary of what is jabber, how one could start a service fast and simple, and what could we gain if we could make a unified network of this, and what problems could arise.

What would You, dear reader of mine say, if you'd be in my position?


  • There are 4 major players in Hungarian market, one of them is T-Online.
  • Privacy and security is not an issue (yet) in Hungary (people don't think of it too much, won't be profitable)
  • Nearly everyone has an MSN account (unfortunately), so we have to say what would happen if Jabber would be put under everyone's nose (in webmail and in... and in what?) Why would they switch if at all? Why would it be better?
  • Hot topics are: eventing (mainly twitter), and social networking*, in which monopoly could be broked also
  • Internet penetration is about 34-38%, mobile penetration is above 100%, although mobile internet/wap is rarely used (or it's used by the 60% rest who does not use internet)

So, what would you say?

* (we have some social network sites, most popular is property of T-Online, called iWiW (Who-is-Who?). Although it's not very customisable, when someone logs in, basically could reach everyone's data: name, location, about myself, reach addresses (e-mail only shown for 'friends' by default), 10 MB worth of pictures, one embedded video from youtube; mostly used features are pictures, searching; average connections is about 300-400 per user)